Gun ownership provides sucidial resource???
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January 10, 2009 - 9:45 am
My Wife and I recently purchase a new handgun. It's a 357 Magnum revolver. We both also have current concealed weapon permits. I am not a "gun totin' radical". I don't belong to the NRA and don't intend to join. With todays violent society and so many home invasions, we just thought it was a good idea to have some protection in our home. I keep the weapon beside my bed at all times. This is the first weapon I have owned since I was a child.
Recently, I have had some "hurt and rescue" events involving my Wife. After these events, I feel horribly guilty and at times think the world would be better off without me in it. My psychologist has told me "the gun has to go". Even though I don't believe that I could kill myself, she is concerned. I'd like some input or experiences in this area. Thanks, Big Al
Recently, I have had some "hurt and rescue" events involving my Wife. After these events, I feel horribly guilty and at times think the world would be better off without me in it. My psychologist has told me "the gun has to go". Even though I don't believe that I could kill myself, she is concerned. I'd like some input or experiences in this area. Thanks, Big Al
one big al
My Wife and I recently purchase a new handgun. It's a 357 Magnum revolver. We both also have current concealed weapon permits. I am not a "gun totin' radical". I don't belong to the NRA and don't intend to join. With todays violent society and so many home invasions, we just thought it was a good idea to have some protection in our home. I keep the weapon beside my bed at all times. This is the first weapon I have owned since I was a child.
Recently, I have had some "hurt and rescue" events involving my Wife. After these events, I feel horribly guilty and at times think the world would be better off without me in it. My psychologist has told me "the gun has to go". Even though I don't believe that I could kill myself, she is concerned. I'd like some input or experiences in this area. Thanks, Big Al
Recently, I have had some "hurt and rescue" events involving my Wife. After these events, I feel horribly guilty and at times think the world would be better off without me in it. My psychologist has told me "the gun has to go". Even though I don't believe that I could kill myself, she is concerned. I'd like some input or experiences in this area. Thanks, Big Al
one big al
January 10, 2009 - 8:32 pm
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I'm a believer in the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" idea. If you've had previous attempts, or if you've given your psych good reason to think as s/he does, then maybe they're right. There are a lot of dangerous things in the average home, though.
I'm a believer in the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" idea. If you've had previous attempts, or if you've given your psych good reason to think as s/he does, then maybe they're right. There are a lot of dangerous things in the average home, though.
January 10, 2009 - 10:19 pm
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Thanks for your input. I tend to agree with you.
one big al
Thanks for your input. I tend to agree with you.
one big al
January 11, 2009 - 11:39 am
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Dear Al,
I would read your therapist's comments as "the gun needs to go for now." I don't think it needs to go forever. She is being a very responsible mental health professional. Mental health professionals know the statistics. Women attempt suicide more often, but men complete suicide more often. The reason that men complete more often is because they typically use deadly force. I can't think of a much more deadly force than a .357 Magnum. It would be irresponsible of her NOT to encourage you to put a distance between you and the firearms while you're feeling like you might want to harm yourself. (by the way, I'm a 2nd Ammendment girl, myself!!) You can exercise your right to carry once you're through this rough patch.
You see, it would be highly unlikely for me, a prissy little southern belle, to pick up a monster like that (if I could lift it from the counter... haha) and use it to end my life. That's just not the "impulse" of a woman. The data are very clear that it is the impulse of men who have access. The impulse is what therapists are up against. The impulse to harm ones self usually lasts about 15 minutes. If they can keep alive those terrible 15 minutes through a variety of strategies that they teach us (including lowering the risk by separating us from methods), then the battle may be won.
So, there's my two cents. Well... maybe it's 2 and a half cents. I wish you the best Big Al... and I do hope that you feel better soon. As with all mood things... this too shall pass. The curtains will part, and the sun will shine again.
Jules
I would read your therapist's comments as "the gun needs to go for now." I don't think it needs to go forever. She is being a very responsible mental health professional. Mental health professionals know the statistics. Women attempt suicide more often, but men complete suicide more often. The reason that men complete more often is because they typically use deadly force. I can't think of a much more deadly force than a .357 Magnum. It would be irresponsible of her NOT to encourage you to put a distance between you and the firearms while you're feeling like you might want to harm yourself. (by the way, I'm a 2nd Ammendment girl, myself!!) You can exercise your right to carry once you're through this rough patch.
You see, it would be highly unlikely for me, a prissy little southern belle, to pick up a monster like that (if I could lift it from the counter... haha) and use it to end my life. That's just not the "impulse" of a woman. The data are very clear that it is the impulse of men who have access. The impulse is what therapists are up against. The impulse to harm ones self usually lasts about 15 minutes. If they can keep alive those terrible 15 minutes through a variety of strategies that they teach us (including lowering the risk by separating us from methods), then the battle may be won.
So, there's my two cents. Well... maybe it's 2 and a half cents. I wish you the best Big Al... and I do hope that you feel better soon. As with all mood things... this too shall pass. The curtains will part, and the sun will shine again.
Jules
Dear Al,
I would read your therapist's comments as "the gun needs to go for now." I don't think it needs to go forever. She is being a very responsible mental health professional. Mental health professionals know the statistics. Women attempt suicide more often, but men complete suicide more often. The reason that men complete more often is because they typically use deadly force. I can't think of a much more deadly force than a .357 Magnum. It would be irresponsible of her NOT to encourage you to put a distance between you and the firearms while you're feeling like you might want to harm yourself. (by the way, I'm a 2nd Ammendment girl, myself!!) You can exercise your right to carry once you're through this rough patch.
You see, it would be highly unlikely for me, a prissy little southern belle, to pick up a monster like that (if I could lift it from the counter... haha) and use it to end my life. That's just not the "impulse" of a woman. The data are very clear that it is the impulse of men who have access. The impulse is what therapists are up against. The impulse to harm ones self usually lasts about 15 minutes. If they can keep alive those terrible 15 minutes through a variety of strategies that they teach us (including lowering the risk by separating us from methods), then the battle may be won.
So, there's my two cents. Well... maybe it's 2 and a half cents. I wish you the best Big Al... and I do hope that you feel better soon. As with all mood things... this too shall pass. The curtains will part, and the sun will shine again.
Jules
I would read your therapist's comments as "the gun needs to go for now." I don't think it needs to go forever. She is being a very responsible mental health professional. Mental health professionals know the statistics. Women attempt suicide more often, but men complete suicide more often. The reason that men complete more often is because they typically use deadly force. I can't think of a much more deadly force than a .357 Magnum. It would be irresponsible of her NOT to encourage you to put a distance between you and the firearms while you're feeling like you might want to harm yourself. (by the way, I'm a 2nd Ammendment girl, myself!!) You can exercise your right to carry once you're through this rough patch.
You see, it would be highly unlikely for me, a prissy little southern belle, to pick up a monster like that (if I could lift it from the counter... haha) and use it to end my life. That's just not the "impulse" of a woman. The data are very clear that it is the impulse of men who have access. The impulse is what therapists are up against. The impulse to harm ones self usually lasts about 15 minutes. If they can keep alive those terrible 15 minutes through a variety of strategies that they teach us (including lowering the risk by separating us from methods), then the battle may be won.
So, there's my two cents. Well... maybe it's 2 and a half cents. I wish you the best Big Al... and I do hope that you feel better soon. As with all mood things... this too shall pass. The curtains will part, and the sun will shine again.
Jules
January 11, 2009 - 6:36 pm
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I hope I'm doing this properly so that the folks who are kind enough to respond to me are getting my messages.
Thanks so much Jules for your most insighful input (you sure you're not a therapist?? LOL) I think you have about nailed it on the head. I had not thought of that scenario at all and it certainly makes sense. Coincidentlly, I'm a Southern Boy myself. Born and raised, for the most part, in Atlanta, GA. Haven't been back in many a year but you know what they say, "once a Redneck, always a Redneck LOL" Anyway, thanks so much for your input. Big Al
Thanks so much Jules for your most insighful input (you sure you're not a therapist?? LOL) I think you have about nailed it on the head. I had not thought of that scenario at all and it certainly makes sense. Coincidentlly, I'm a Southern Boy myself. Born and raised, for the most part, in Atlanta, GA. Haven't been back in many a year but you know what they say, "once a Redneck, always a Redneck LOL" Anyway, thanks so much for your input. Big Al
one big al
I hope I'm doing this properly so that the folks who are kind enough to respond to me are getting my messages.
Thanks so much Jules for your most insighful input (you sure you're not a therapist?? LOL) I think you have about nailed it on the head. I had not thought of that scenario at all and it certainly makes sense. Coincidentlly, I'm a Southern Boy myself. Born and raised, for the most part, in Atlanta, GA. Haven't been back in many a year but you know what they say, "once a Redneck, always a Redneck LOL" Anyway, thanks so much for your input. Big Al
Thanks so much Jules for your most insighful input (you sure you're not a therapist?? LOL) I think you have about nailed it on the head. I had not thought of that scenario at all and it certainly makes sense. Coincidentlly, I'm a Southern Boy myself. Born and raised, for the most part, in Atlanta, GA. Haven't been back in many a year but you know what they say, "once a Redneck, always a Redneck LOL" Anyway, thanks so much for your input. Big Al
one big al
January 11, 2009 - 7:39 pm
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Dear Big Al,
Well, okay... I'm kinda busted.... I USED to be a therapist. I have since moved into other types of human services work that I enjoy much more.
Funny enough, I learned the 15 minute impulse data from my psychiatrist. He knows that I am data geek, so during a particularly dark time in my life, he shared with me about why it is so important to have strategies to stay safe for those key 15 minutes should an impulse occur.
So... you're an Atlanta boy, huh? Well.. what a coincidence... I grew up in a southern 'burb of that great city. I was even a Braves fan before it was cool to be a Braves fan. I even thought that the Star Spangled Banner ended with "And the Home of the BRAVES" until I was an older teenager.... LOL I am now a transplant. I live in upstate New York.... eeks!! We're up to our ears in snow! PUH-LEASE. But... I still have my southern accent, and I plan to keep it!
When I moved up here, I didn't know what an impact the lack of sun would have on my mood. But... that's for another post!
Be Well,
Jules
Well, okay... I'm kinda busted.... I USED to be a therapist. I have since moved into other types of human services work that I enjoy much more.
Funny enough, I learned the 15 minute impulse data from my psychiatrist. He knows that I am data geek, so during a particularly dark time in my life, he shared with me about why it is so important to have strategies to stay safe for those key 15 minutes should an impulse occur.
So... you're an Atlanta boy, huh? Well.. what a coincidence... I grew up in a southern 'burb of that great city. I was even a Braves fan before it was cool to be a Braves fan. I even thought that the Star Spangled Banner ended with "And the Home of the BRAVES" until I was an older teenager.... LOL I am now a transplant. I live in upstate New York.... eeks!! We're up to our ears in snow! PUH-LEASE. But... I still have my southern accent, and I plan to keep it!
When I moved up here, I didn't know what an impact the lack of sun would have on my mood. But... that's for another post!
Be Well,
Jules
Dear Big Al,
Well, okay... I'm kinda busted.... I USED to be a therapist. I have since moved into other types of human services work that I enjoy much more.
Funny enough, I learned the 15 minute impulse data from my psychiatrist. He knows that I am data geek, so during a particularly dark time in my life, he shared with me about why it is so important to have strategies to stay safe for those key 15 minutes should an impulse occur.
So... you're an Atlanta boy, huh? Well.. what a coincidence... I grew up in a southern 'burb of that great city. I was even a Braves fan before it was cool to be a Braves fan. I even thought that the Star Spangled Banner ended with "And the Home of the BRAVES" until I was an older teenager.... LOL I am now a transplant. I live in upstate New York.... eeks!! We're up to our ears in snow! PUH-LEASE. But... I still have my southern accent, and I plan to keep it!
When I moved up here, I didn't know what an impact the lack of sun would have on my mood. But... that's for another post!
Be Well,
Jules
Well, okay... I'm kinda busted.... I USED to be a therapist. I have since moved into other types of human services work that I enjoy much more.
Funny enough, I learned the 15 minute impulse data from my psychiatrist. He knows that I am data geek, so during a particularly dark time in my life, he shared with me about why it is so important to have strategies to stay safe for those key 15 minutes should an impulse occur.
So... you're an Atlanta boy, huh? Well.. what a coincidence... I grew up in a southern 'burb of that great city. I was even a Braves fan before it was cool to be a Braves fan. I even thought that the Star Spangled Banner ended with "And the Home of the BRAVES" until I was an older teenager.... LOL I am now a transplant. I live in upstate New York.... eeks!! We're up to our ears in snow! PUH-LEASE. But... I still have my southern accent, and I plan to keep it!
When I moved up here, I didn't know what an impact the lack of sun would have on my mood. But... that's for another post!
Be Well,
Jules
January 12, 2009 - 5:27 pm
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I was an RN until I got too sick to feel I could work safely. I agree with the other comments here. Actually, psych is one of the few areas where they have more data on women than on men--so I can see where the therapist in question really wants to play it safe.
I remember learning, first you get the person thru the first five minutes if they are suicidal, then the next 10, then half an hour--then you get them to agree not to hurt themself overnight---then you make a safety contract. Your therapist just wants to be sure she gets that first five minutes if she ever needs them to save your life. Me--I would never use a gun--there is too much chance to have modern technology keep your body alive when your brain is dead. So thats two reasonably good reasons to have the gun somewhere away from you during rough times. Its a danger you don't need to have around. Statistically speaking your risk having the gun around when you are depressed is more to you than to an intruder. So thats a third reason not to keep it right now---I hope my concern is coming thru and I hope you feel better soon.
Also, if you live in an urban area, please remember bullet trajectories can be really strange and people miles away from the discharge can still be hit by the bullet. That makes a fourth reason to take the gun elsewhere for now.
I'm a Second Amendment person myself, in fact, my husband is a gunsmith so I am definetly not anti-gun, I just think its a risk and complication you don't need right now.
If your body reacts like mine did when I was very depressed my reflexes, for some unknown reason, went into overdrive. It was a standing joke in my small hospital before I stopped working, I was always one of the first to a code. You could grab and shoot before you really had chance to assess the situation if your body is doing to you what mine did to me. ( I think that makes reason five)
I remember learning, first you get the person thru the first five minutes if they are suicidal, then the next 10, then half an hour--then you get them to agree not to hurt themself overnight---then you make a safety contract. Your therapist just wants to be sure she gets that first five minutes if she ever needs them to save your life. Me--I would never use a gun--there is too much chance to have modern technology keep your body alive when your brain is dead. So thats two reasonably good reasons to have the gun somewhere away from you during rough times. Its a danger you don't need to have around. Statistically speaking your risk having the gun around when you are depressed is more to you than to an intruder. So thats a third reason not to keep it right now---I hope my concern is coming thru and I hope you feel better soon.
Also, if you live in an urban area, please remember bullet trajectories can be really strange and people miles away from the discharge can still be hit by the bullet. That makes a fourth reason to take the gun elsewhere for now.
I'm a Second Amendment person myself, in fact, my husband is a gunsmith so I am definetly not anti-gun, I just think its a risk and complication you don't need right now.
If your body reacts like mine did when I was very depressed my reflexes, for some unknown reason, went into overdrive. It was a standing joke in my small hospital before I stopped working, I was always one of the first to a code. You could grab and shoot before you really had chance to assess the situation if your body is doing to you what mine did to me. ( I think that makes reason five)
I was an RN until I got too sick to feel I could work safely. I agree with the other comments here. Actually, psych is one of the few areas where they have more data on women than on men--so I can see where the therapist in question really wants to play it safe.
I remember learning, first you get the person thru the first five minutes if they are suicidal, then the next 10, then half an hour--then you get them to agree not to hurt themself overnight---then you make a safety contract. Your therapist just wants to be sure she gets that first five minutes if she ever needs them to save your life. Me--I would never use a gun--there is too much chance to have modern technology keep your body alive when your brain is dead. So thats two reasonably good reasons to have the gun somewhere away from you during rough times. Its a danger you don't need to have around. Statistically speaking your risk having the gun around when you are depressed is more to you than to an intruder. So thats a third reason not to keep it right now---I hope my concern is coming thru and I hope you feel better soon.
Also, if you live in an urban area, please remember bullet trajectories can be really strange and people miles away from the discharge can still be hit by the bullet. That makes a fourth reason to take the gun elsewhere for now.
I'm a Second Amendment person myself, in fact, my husband is a gunsmith so I am definetly not anti-gun, I just think its a risk and complication you don't need right now.
If your body reacts like mine did when I was very depressed my reflexes, for some unknown reason, went into overdrive. It was a standing joke in my small hospital before I stopped working, I was always one of the first to a code. You could grab and shoot before you really had chance to assess the situation if your body is doing to you what mine did to me. ( I think that makes reason five)
I remember learning, first you get the person thru the first five minutes if they are suicidal, then the next 10, then half an hour--then you get them to agree not to hurt themself overnight---then you make a safety contract. Your therapist just wants to be sure she gets that first five minutes if she ever needs them to save your life. Me--I would never use a gun--there is too much chance to have modern technology keep your body alive when your brain is dead. So thats two reasonably good reasons to have the gun somewhere away from you during rough times. Its a danger you don't need to have around. Statistically speaking your risk having the gun around when you are depressed is more to you than to an intruder. So thats a third reason not to keep it right now---I hope my concern is coming thru and I hope you feel better soon.
Also, if you live in an urban area, please remember bullet trajectories can be really strange and people miles away from the discharge can still be hit by the bullet. That makes a fourth reason to take the gun elsewhere for now.
I'm a Second Amendment person myself, in fact, my husband is a gunsmith so I am definetly not anti-gun, I just think its a risk and complication you don't need right now.
If your body reacts like mine did when I was very depressed my reflexes, for some unknown reason, went into overdrive. It was a standing joke in my small hospital before I stopped working, I was always one of the first to a code. You could grab and shoot before you really had chance to assess the situation if your body is doing to you what mine did to me. ( I think that makes reason five)
January 12, 2009 - 9:27 pm
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WOW! I never had any idea there would be such insightful folks at this site. You all have been a comfort and a source of encouragement to me. Speaking of suicide, did you hear the one about the redneck who tried to kill himself by putting his head in the oven. Only problem was, it was an electric oven! yuk, yuk. Big Al
one big al
WOW! I never had any idea there would be such insightful folks at this site. You all have been a comfort and a source of encouragement to me. Speaking of suicide, did you hear the one about the redneck who tried to kill himself by putting his head in the oven. Only problem was, it was an electric oven! yuk, yuk. Big Al
one big al
January 15, 2009 - 3:08 pm
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Big Al,
I used to be a gun owner. I had one dimwitted attempt with a shotgun, but couldn't reach the trigger. Thank gawd I was so out of it I couldn't think straight. I only bring that up because within the span of an 30 minutes, I went from mildly depressed to not knowing where I was. Any situation can happen that could trigger such a down swing as it did with me. I've gotten rid of all hunting, self protection, and sporting firearms in my house.
I used to be a gun owner. I had one dimwitted attempt with a shotgun, but couldn't reach the trigger. Thank gawd I was so out of it I couldn't think straight. I only bring that up because within the span of an 30 minutes, I went from mildly depressed to not knowing where I was. Any situation can happen that could trigger such a down swing as it did with me. I've gotten rid of all hunting, self protection, and sporting firearms in my house.
Big Al,
I used to be a gun owner. I had one dimwitted attempt with a shotgun, but couldn't reach the trigger. Thank gawd I was so out of it I couldn't think straight. I only bring that up because within the span of an 30 minutes, I went from mildly depressed to not knowing where I was. Any situation can happen that could trigger such a down swing as it did with me. I've gotten rid of all hunting, self protection, and sporting firearms in my house.
I used to be a gun owner. I had one dimwitted attempt with a shotgun, but couldn't reach the trigger. Thank gawd I was so out of it I couldn't think straight. I only bring that up because within the span of an 30 minutes, I went from mildly depressed to not knowing where I was. Any situation can happen that could trigger such a down swing as it did with me. I've gotten rid of all hunting, self protection, and sporting firearms in my house.
January 19, 2009 - 8:47 pm
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I'm one of those people who have had a suicide urge come on me suddenly and quite unexpectedly and was in the midst of an attempt (with a bottle of pills) before I even knew what I was doing.
We have no lethal objects in our home. I don't even own a good knife. My husband keeps his meds in a lock box.
I have a checklist that gets me through the hour it takes for my emergency med to knock me out. Once I've slept a few hours the urges pass. I haven't even needed to use the checklist for almost 2 years now and it has been over 10 years since my last attempt.
We have no lethal objects in our home. I don't even own a good knife. My husband keeps his meds in a lock box.
I have a checklist that gets me through the hour it takes for my emergency med to knock me out. Once I've slept a few hours the urges pass. I haven't even needed to use the checklist for almost 2 years now and it has been over 10 years since my last attempt.
The only place that you can find perfection on Earth today is in the dictionary.
I'm one of those people who have had a suicide urge come on me suddenly and quite unexpectedly and was in the midst of an attempt (with a bottle of pills) before I even knew what I was doing.
We have no lethal objects in our home. I don't even own a good knife. My husband keeps his meds in a lock box.
I have a checklist that gets me through the hour it takes for my emergency med to knock me out. Once I've slept a few hours the urges pass. I haven't even needed to use the checklist for almost 2 years now and it has been over 10 years since my last attempt.
We have no lethal objects in our home. I don't even own a good knife. My husband keeps his meds in a lock box.
I have a checklist that gets me through the hour it takes for my emergency med to knock me out. Once I've slept a few hours the urges pass. I haven't even needed to use the checklist for almost 2 years now and it has been over 10 years since my last attempt.
The only place that you can find perfection on Earth today is in the dictionary.
February 3, 2009 - 4:26 pm
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Hi AL and all you guys
I'm a gun totting girl myself. Hubby and I both have concealed carry permits and we have over twenty guns in our home. (We aren't radical. His father gave him his collection) However, we own a gun safe and I don't know the combo for it. I do carry my .357 mag or my .44 mag when we go camping or I am forced into a situation where myself or my children may be in harm but at home they are locked away. I've never attempted suicide but sudden impulses to do so are common for me. I know that this doesn't help with home protection but I'd rather chance some guy breaking in than chance a sudden impulse of mine.
So basically I'm just saying that guns are fine just know your limits. Lock them until YOU are safe.
I'm a gun totting girl myself. Hubby and I both have concealed carry permits and we have over twenty guns in our home. (We aren't radical. His father gave him his collection) However, we own a gun safe and I don't know the combo for it. I do carry my .357 mag or my .44 mag when we go camping or I am forced into a situation where myself or my children may be in harm but at home they are locked away. I've never attempted suicide but sudden impulses to do so are common for me. I know that this doesn't help with home protection but I'd rather chance some guy breaking in than chance a sudden impulse of mine.
So basically I'm just saying that guns are fine just know your limits. Lock them until YOU are safe.
Hi AL and all you guys
I'm a gun totting girl myself. Hubby and I both have concealed carry permits and we have over twenty guns in our home. (We aren't radical. His father gave him his collection) However, we own a gun safe and I don't know the combo for it. I do carry my .357 mag or my .44 mag when we go camping or I am forced into a situation where myself or my children may be in harm but at home they are locked away. I've never attempted suicide but sudden impulses to do so are common for me. I know that this doesn't help with home protection but I'd rather chance some guy breaking in than chance a sudden impulse of mine.
So basically I'm just saying that guns are fine just know your limits. Lock them until YOU are safe.
I'm a gun totting girl myself. Hubby and I both have concealed carry permits and we have over twenty guns in our home. (We aren't radical. His father gave him his collection) However, we own a gun safe and I don't know the combo for it. I do carry my .357 mag or my .44 mag when we go camping or I am forced into a situation where myself or my children may be in harm but at home they are locked away. I've never attempted suicide but sudden impulses to do so are common for me. I know that this doesn't help with home protection but I'd rather chance some guy breaking in than chance a sudden impulse of mine.
So basically I'm just saying that guns are fine just know your limits. Lock them until YOU are safe.
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