Bipolar II (and a bit of a whinge)

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wotcrazyness
April 1, 2009 - 6:43 am
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I have to admit, though it hurts me every time, that I have Bipolar Affective Disorder type II (there's just something about the acronym for that: BAD!). That just about sums up my feelings about it. I get depressed and sit at a mid-range low really feeling that that's kind of normal. When I'm baseline, it feels like I'm happy for the first time in ages. But when I'm hypomanic - never any of the euphoria that I'm "supposed" to feel as someone with BP, I'm a horrible person who makes everyone around them miserable with my irritability, obsessions, aggression, need for greater body space (THAT's good for the sex life!) and sensibility to touch (in a negative way). This is the worst of both worlds.

Do the highs in BP1 help to balance all this negativity?

I can see it now that I've been diagnosed and can recognise my behaviours in light of my "mood". But I still struggle with the difference between BP1 and BP2. How do I explain it to others? And why does every media representation only talk about BP1? I feel left out, dismissed, swept under the carpet, in the too hard basket.

My husband is still struggling to understand 5 or 6 years since the diagnosis, following several more years of being "depressed". (I printed the posts in "Husband having a hard time understanding wife's bipolar" because it was all so much what we deal with together.). My mum and dad were told by him - in explanation for a dreadful letter I wrote to them telling them how much they continued to hurt me - but have never acknowledged that to me. My twin sister was told by my best friend who "thought she should know". My little sister lives next door so she knows because it gets to uncomfortable to hide much. I have a few other people who know, including a couple at work because events have occurred that have thrown me out, causing them to have a need-to-know.

How do you avoid the bias and prejudice that comes with the knowledge of this condition?

How do you chart "I feel horrible because I keep upsetting everyone and I don't like who I am due to the hypomania" into a positive mood?

How do I get my family members assessed - both my sisters and problably my Dad, even his mother may have BP, but what I observe they all choose to ignore or don't want to know. That leaves me to be the one with the problem, the one who is out of control, the one to pussy-foot around.

Oh, and I'm so scared watching my 10yo daughter's moods that she might be BP too. Guilty Guilty Guilty. It's not fair either way - the living with me and/or the genetic lottery. Then my 8yo son seems ok, but has become a super sensitive angel to respond to my every need and mood, to intercede and calm me where needed.

Yeah, I'm in a hypomanic phase. Sorry for the verbal diarrhoea.


Wotcrazyness
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wotcrazyness
April 1, 2009 - 6:43 am
I have to admit, though it hurts me every time, that I have Bipolar Affective Disorder type II (there's just something about the acronym for that: BAD!). That just about sums up my feelings about it. I get depressed and sit at a mid-range low really feeling that that's kind of normal. When I'm baseline, it feels like I'm happy for the first time in ages. But when I'm hypomanic - never any of the euphoria that I'm "supposed" to feel as someone with BP, I'm a horrible person who makes everyone around them miserable with my irritability, obsessions, aggression, need for greater body space (THAT's good for the sex life!) and sensibility to touch (in a negative way). This is the worst of both worlds.

Do the highs in BP1 help to balance all this negativity?

I can see it now that I've been diagnosed and can recognise my behaviours in light of my "mood". But I still struggle with the difference between BP1 and BP2. How do I explain it to others? And why does every media representation only talk about BP1? I feel left out, dismissed, swept under the carpet, in the too hard basket.

My husband is still struggling to understand 5 or 6 years since the diagnosis, following several more years of being "depressed". (I printed the posts in "Husband having a hard time understanding wife's bipolar" because it was all so much what we deal with together.). My mum and dad were told by him - in explanation for a dreadful letter I wrote to them telling them how much they continued to hurt me - but have never acknowledged that to me. My twin sister was told by my best friend who "thought she should know". My little sister lives next door so she knows because it gets to uncomfortable to hide much. I have a few other people who know, including a couple at work because events have occurred that have thrown me out, causing them to have a need-to-know.

How do you avoid the bias and prejudice that comes with the knowledge of this condition?

How do you chart "I feel horrible because I keep upsetting everyone and I don't like who I am due to the hypomania" into a positive mood?

How do I get my family members assessed - both my sisters and problably my Dad, even his mother may have BP, but what I observe they all choose to ignore or don't want to know. That leaves me to be the one with the problem, the one who is out of control, the one to pussy-foot around.

Oh, and I'm so scared watching my 10yo daughter's moods that she might be BP too. Guilty Guilty Guilty. It's not fair either way - the living with me and/or the genetic lottery. Then my 8yo son seems ok, but has become a super sensitive angel to respond to my every need and mood, to intercede and calm me where needed.

Yeah, I'm in a hypomanic phase. Sorry for the verbal diarrhoea.


Wotcrazyness
ouroboros
April 1, 2009 - 12:07 pm
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>Do the highs in BP1 help to balance all this negativity?

I've never understood how some people can find the highs of BP1 to be a good thing (although, logically, I recognize that the events and perceptions of them are very subjective).

When I'm manic, it's far too easy to set me off into an irate rage. Something as simple as my girlfriend asking me to stop for milk on the way over is a major imposition, because I just have "too much to do" to the point where if every second of my waking day isn't occupied with something "important", I'm wasting time (and speaking of the waking day, gods have mercy on her if she should utter the phrase "come to bed, it's late"), I find myself trying to do too many things at once and get angry at myself because my already-limited multitasking functions are further crippled by the fact that I've got the attention span of a gnat on crack. I've never felt "euphoric," just out of control.

So, to get back to the question rather than whining... In my case, no. The highs don't balance the lows. They can be just as bad.


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ouroboros
April 1, 2009 - 12:07 pm
>Do the highs in BP1 help to balance all this negativity?

I've never understood how some people can find the highs of BP1 to be a good thing (although, logically, I recognize that the events and perceptions of them are very subjective).

When I'm manic, it's far too easy to set me off into an irate rage. Something as simple as my girlfriend asking me to stop for milk on the way over is a major imposition, because I just have "too much to do" to the point where if every second of my waking day isn't occupied with something "important", I'm wasting time (and speaking of the waking day, gods have mercy on her if she should utter the phrase "come to bed, it's late"), I find myself trying to do too many things at once and get angry at myself because my already-limited multitasking functions are further crippled by the fact that I've got the attention span of a gnat on crack. I've never felt "euphoric," just out of control.

So, to get back to the question rather than whining... In my case, no. The highs don't balance the lows. They can be just as bad.


Lizabeth
April 1, 2009 - 1:27 pm
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I have Bipolar II also. For me it is a new diagnosis, I was treated for major depression for 10 years until I finally started complaining of the irritability and anxiety that wasn't a panic attack often enough to get my pdoc and tdocs attention.

I also don't find hypomania any "fun". And I really don't think any mania is fun over the long haul, anyway. I think you need a new "best friend" if you told her in confidence. I don't think there is any good way to handle the prejudice end other than being very sure you don't buy into it yourself. I also don't think there is any need to disclose to all and sundry either, especially at work.

My husband, who has slight depression himself, handles the depression end of things fine, but the hypomania floors him because he just can't understand that the irritation vibes I throw out are not personal. I don't know how to help anyone understand that and I wish I did.

One of the hardest things I had to learn in my talk therapy was that I can't control the emotional or other responses of other people. Your family has the facts; you are not responsible for what they do with them.

And you are not responsible for your genes either, that just a random lottery type thing. I agnonized over whether or not to tell my brother (we are not close either geographically or emotionally) because he has a son, my nephew who is in treatment for ???opositional defiance disorder????. My tdoc says that is a garbage dx., but since he is in treatment the treatment providers should recognize signs of any other problems. I am still a bit undecided.

Are your children unlucky to live with you or fortunate they have someone who understands that mental illness is an illness and will get them treatment if needed. I can't work now, but I used to be a nurse and I saw children denied treatment for Mental Health because their families were so convinced mental illness was not 'real'.

Anyway, I hope my ramblings are of some help and that you keep posting. This is a good site.



Medications for April 2009
01-04-2009 - Present:Clonazempam, 0.5. BID PRN
01-07-2009 - Present:ASA, 85 mg. one
01-07-2009 - Present:Calcium/Vit.D, 1200 mg. q day
01-07-2009 - Present:Multivitamin, 1 mg. one
01-07-2009 - Present:Benazepril Hcl., 10 mg. one
02-01-2009 - Present:Zyertec , 10 mg. qhs for allergies.
02-21-2009 - Present:Lunesta, 3mg. qhs prn sleep
03-20-2009 - Present:Geodon, 120 mg. one at suppertime, take with food.
03-20-2009 - Present:Lamictal, 100 mg. every day

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Lizabeth
April 1, 2009 - 1:27 pm
I have Bipolar II also. For me it is a new diagnosis, I was treated for major depression for 10 years until I finally started complaining of the irritability and anxiety that wasn't a panic attack often enough to get my pdoc and tdocs attention.

I also don't find hypomania any "fun". And I really don't think any mania is fun over the long haul, anyway. I think you need a new "best friend" if you told her in confidence. I don't think there is any good way to handle the prejudice end other than being very sure you don't buy into it yourself. I also don't think there is any need to disclose to all and sundry either, especially at work.

My husband, who has slight depression himself, handles the depression end of things fine, but the hypomania floors him because he just can't understand that the irritation vibes I throw out are not personal. I don't know how to help anyone understand that and I wish I did.

One of the hardest things I had to learn in my talk therapy was that I can't control the emotional or other responses of other people. Your family has the facts; you are not responsible for what they do with them.

And you are not responsible for your genes either, that just a random lottery type thing. I agnonized over whether or not to tell my brother (we are not close either geographically or emotionally) because he has a son, my nephew who is in treatment for ???opositional defiance disorder????. My tdoc says that is a garbage dx., but since he is in treatment the treatment providers should recognize signs of any other problems. I am still a bit undecided.

Are your children unlucky to live with you or fortunate they have someone who understands that mental illness is an illness and will get them treatment if needed. I can't work now, but I used to be a nurse and I saw children denied treatment for Mental Health because their families were so convinced mental illness was not 'real'.

Anyway, I hope my ramblings are of some help and that you keep posting. This is a good site.



Medications for April 2009
01-04-2009 - Present:Clonazempam, 0.5. BID PRN
01-07-2009 - Present:ASA, 85 mg. one
01-07-2009 - Present:Calcium/Vit.D, 1200 mg. q day
01-07-2009 - Present:Multivitamin, 1 mg. one
01-07-2009 - Present:Benazepril Hcl., 10 mg. one
02-01-2009 - Present:Zyertec , 10 mg. qhs for allergies.
02-21-2009 - Present:Lunesta, 3mg. qhs prn sleep
03-20-2009 - Present:Geodon, 120 mg. one at suppertime, take with food.
03-20-2009 - Present:Lamictal, 100 mg. every day

Mooky
April 1, 2009 - 2:00 pm
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I'm BP1 and for me the mania differs from attack to attack. Sometimes I get EXTREMELY obsessive and will nearly bite the head off anyone that gets in the way of me writing my books. I am irritable but still get a real high out of writing and a few other obsessions Then there are the manias that scare the life out of me. When I start laughing and just can't stop. When my mind is going so fast I can't find even one thought that really matches the situation. I feel like I'm stuck on the scariest roller coaster in the world and my seat belt is loose. I get suicidal both when manic and when depressed but the manic ones scare me the most because my mind is going so fast i may not be able to stop my self in time.
I have a 12 year old son that was DXed ADHD but read that many ADHD children are actually hidden BPs. Scary! My daughter seems stable and is very good at being a support for me and my son.
As far as the stigma of mental health problems go, that's a tricky one. When I'm manic I talk to any and every one and tell them everything so it's not like it's a secret. Even the Safeway cashier knows. I think it's harder on my family than on me. I'm an at home mom so I don't have to worry about my boss finding out and firing me or anything. I honestly don't mind ppl knowing. It sometimes opens up conversations and i can help ppl learn what BP is and maybe even help someone make the decision to get checked out. I can also explain that it's a medical condition so they better understand why I'm talking a mile a minute and stuff.


Stress is when you wake up screaming and realize you haven't gone to sleep yet.
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Mooky
April 1, 2009 - 2:00 pm
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I'm BP1 and for me the mania differs from attack to attack. Sometimes I get EXTREMELY obsessive and will nearly bite the head off anyone that gets in the way of me writing my books. I am irritable but still get a real high out of writing and a few other obsessions Then there are the manias that scare the life out of me. When I start laughing and just can't stop. When my mind is going so fast I can't find even one thought that really matches the situation. I feel like I'm stuck on the scariest roller coaster in the world and my seat belt is loose. I get suicidal both when manic and when depressed but the manic ones scare me the most because my mind is going so fast i may not be able to stop my self in time.
I have a 12 year old son that was DXed ADHD but read that many ADHD children are actually hidden BPs. Scary! My daughter seems stable and is very good at being a support for me and my son.
As far as the stigma of mental health problems go, that's a tricky one. When I'm manic I talk to any and every one and tell them everything so it's not like it's a secret. Even the Safeway cashier knows. I think it's harder on my family than on me. I'm an at home mom so I don't have to worry about my boss finding out and firing me or anything. I honestly don't mind ppl knowing. It sometimes opens up conversations and i can help ppl learn what BP is and maybe even help someone make the decision to get checked out. I can also explain that it's a medical condition so they better understand why I'm talking a mile a minute and stuff.


Stress is when you wake up screaming and realize you haven't gone to sleep yet.
Mooky
April 1, 2009 - 2:13 pm
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Forgot to add something.
How do you track "I feel horrible etc." into a positive mood?
I had the same problem. I couldn't tell mood from emotion and even when I found out the difference I didn't know what to do with those kinds of entries.
I talked to my PDOC and asked. She's the one that told me about this sight.
She told me that if I'm talking fast and changing subject often, early indicators for me, then I'm mildly manic. I have to ask my daughter about that because i don't know when I'm talking fast and stuff. Depression is easier for me to spot.
So I would recommend talking to your PDOC. bring in your log and together you two can try to spot symptoms that show beginning manic or depressive attacks.
Every one is different.
Manic does not mean happy and depressed doesn't mean sad so don't let the words mess you up.


Stress is when you wake up screaming and realize you haven't gone to sleep yet.
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Mooky
April 1, 2009 - 2:13 pm
Forgot to add something.
How do you track "I feel horrible etc." into a positive mood?
I had the same problem. I couldn't tell mood from emotion and even when I found out the difference I didn't know what to do with those kinds of entries.
I talked to my PDOC and asked. She's the one that told me about this sight.
She told me that if I'm talking fast and changing subject often, early indicators for me, then I'm mildly manic. I have to ask my daughter about that because i don't know when I'm talking fast and stuff. Depression is easier for me to spot.
So I would recommend talking to your PDOC. bring in your log and together you two can try to spot symptoms that show beginning manic or depressive attacks.
Every one is different.
Manic does not mean happy and depressed doesn't mean sad so don't let the words mess you up.


Stress is when you wake up screaming and realize you haven't gone to sleep yet.
wotcrazyness
April 3, 2009 - 12:36 am
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Thanks everyone for your responses. One of the reasons I came here was that the mood chart I was using didn't seem to cope with anxiety/irritability but only asked for mood. It also didn't chart sleep. I'll be interested to see if there's a noticeable improvement in seeing the trends using this site's charts. In theory it looks good.

Thanks also for your insights into mania and depression (which I agree is easier to spot). I particularly associate with the Mooky's idea that manic is not necessarily happy and depressed is not necessarily unhappy. That really helps me to understand my illness a bit better.


Wotcrazyness
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wotcrazyness
April 3, 2009 - 12:36 am
Thanks everyone for your responses. One of the reasons I came here was that the mood chart I was using didn't seem to cope with anxiety/irritability but only asked for mood. It also didn't chart sleep. I'll be interested to see if there's a noticeable improvement in seeing the trends using this site's charts. In theory it looks good.

Thanks also for your insights into mania and depression (which I agree is easier to spot). I particularly associate with the Mooky's idea that manic is not necessarily happy and depressed is not necessarily unhappy. That really helps me to understand my illness a bit better.


Wotcrazyness

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